The Alleged Behaviors of James Deen's Abusive Behaviors are Taught to Men Systematically In Pick Up Culture, Shocking Articles and Videos Inside.

If the allegations against James Deen are true, who knows where they came from. But for a lot of men, they are taught to them systematically through 'pickup' or 'seduction' communities. The communities regularly post articles, discussions, and videos about tactics to ignore women's objections and physically dominate them. The following are selected examples from my research. Each of these examples have a shocking resemblance to the tales of abuse described by the victims of James Deen. James Deen's allegations and these examples have two consistence patterns, overcoming women's objections through use of physical force.

Example 1: President and Founder of Largest Pickup Company (Real Social Dynamics) Described Using Force and Ignoring Objections on Stripper. 

Owen Cook, founder of Real Social Dynamics, describes a situation that is very similar to the stories of James Deens alleged victims. What is shocking is that these are his own words, not the words of any of his victims. 

The last way I fucked her too, it was in the morning, she was taking a shower, and I didn't think she wanted to have sex again, but I just threw her on the bed and I put it in her, and I could barely even get it in because she was just totally not in the mood. And I was like, "Fuck it, I'm never seeing this bitch again. I don't care." So I just like, jam it in, and it's all tight and dry and I fuck her, and I'm like "I'll just make this quick because she doesn't even want it." But then she starts to get into it, and once she gets into it I came prematurely.

The source of the quote, and the full video where Owen Cook described this encounter, can be found here.

http://www.vice.com/read/this-canadian-pick-up-artist-bragged-about-forcing-sex-on-a-slut-whore-bitch-297.

A direct link to the video can be found here

Example 2: Jeff Allen, Co-founder and Executive Instructor for Real Social Dynamics, expresses his approval of use of force and ignoring women's objections. 

On Real Social Dynamic's official forum, another instructor, Jefferey Allen, approved of tactics to physically force women into having sex while ignoring their objections. The thread is named "Lie your way inside a womans vagina (People with morals DO NOT READ)" and has since been deleted in the wake of Real Social Dynamic's sexual assault scandal last year (https://www.vice.com/read/over-1800-people-want-to-ban-an-abusive-pick-up-artist-from-entering-canada-747), however copies of the thread were obtained by https://web.archive.org.

The opening posts reads:

Once you pulled her away from the friends, made out, and have a somewhat chill vibe going on (takes 15 -30mins), you say "this bar sucks, lets go to another bar". If she wants to know where it is, you say 2 min walk. If she has to get her coat, you guys go get the coat, if she has to say bye to her friends, you tell her what to say and hope to god that it's gonna work. If she refuses, you didnt do the first part right.

Once youre out, walk 2 blocks away from the bar. get in a cab and go to your house. If she objects, say its too cold/hot to walk./ Its just 5 min/i just wanna kiss/ can we kiss?/ ignore what she says and physically force her. If you cant verbally and physically dominate a drunk 18 yo girl that likes you, please kill yourself.

To get inside your house, tell her you need to get money before you guys go to the bar. Once inside, quickly take off your coat and shoes and put on some music, dim lights and pour yourseld a drink. In 1 min or less. Start making out, tell her youre gonna make her visit. Quickly take her to your room and if she says anything while you take off all your clothes, tell her to shut the fuck up, and make her go on her knees and suck your dick. Only worrt about taking off her clothes once youre fully naked and shes jerking you off or sucking your dick.

Shes young, shes drunk, she likes you.she wont resist. Or not a lot.

You need to act quick, dont let her any time to think or lead. Only pace yourself to get a vibe going. Do not hesitate, or youre fucked. Dont be afraid to physically force her to do anything or to tell her no or shut up. (can make her not like you and fuck up the pull so only do it ifnecessary)

One user chimes in and recommends martial arts so that you learn how to force yourself upon women:

Yeah that bit about jiu jitsu... I actually recommend taking some form of martial art for improved man handling abilities, bjj + strength training = god tier manhandling skills.

Another description of use physical force

 If the friends catch a glimpse of you, the only thing you can do is keep plowibg to your girl with stuff like "i just have one last thing to say, no, excuse me, i need to tell her something" and physically grab her or hold her wrist so she cant leave. 

Jeff Allen, one of the co-founders of Real Social Dynamics (who had his personal own scandal with women http://jezebel.com/5981578/angry-texts-from-the-rape-van-pick-up-artist) expressed high approval of these tactics.

Ha, this is the kind of post that really separates the KJs from the ACTUAL BEASTS. Loving the responses. "DURR HOW DOES I NOT LOOK NEEDY FEENGURRMAN"

Anyone actually fucking chicks on a regular basis knows this is what's up

In the quote above, 'KJs' refers to 'Keyboard Jockeys', a term used to describe people on the internet who post advice about matters they do not have experience in. 'FEENGURRMAN' is a reference to Fingerman, the creater of the thread. Jeffy was mocking those who complained about Fingerman's advice. Apparently, at the time Fingerman was a student of Jeffy.

lol i taught him well.

Again, Jeffy responds to those who posted concerns of the ethics of these tactics, by refferring to them as 'Keyboard Jockys'. He also confirms his relationship with the thread creator.

 The quality of girls he's fucking was pretty damn good from what I saw sir. 

We're here to fuck girls not assuage hypothetical psychological wounds and/or better society. I'm frankly a little sick of KJ moralizing and hand wringing about this shit. Let's not sugar coat what it is we are doing here too much. We're FUCKING WOMEN. 

And it's not called "seeking validation" it's called "trolling the forum to direct more traffic to his blogs and shit so he makes money which allows him to beast mode 24/7"

Direct links to the archive are found here.

https://web.archive.org/web/20101229073531/http://www.rsdnation.com/node/171241
https://web.archive.org/web/20110316224019/http://www.rsdnation.com/node/171241?page=1
https://web.archive.org/web/20101231065837/http://www.rsdnation.com/node/171241?page=2
https://web.archive.org/web/20110316224026/http://www.rsdnation.com/node/171241?page=3
https://web.archive.org/web/20110316224034/http://www.rsdnation.com/node/171241?page=4
https://web.archive.org/web/20110316224042/http://www.rsdnation.com/node/171241?page=5
https://web.archive.org/web/20110316224059/http://www.rsdnation.com/node/171241?page=6
https://web.archive.org/web/20110316224107/http://www.rsdnation.com/node/171241?page=7
https://web.archive.org/web/20110317000318/http://www.rsdnation.com/node/171241?page=9#comment-702483

Example 3: Old Article from Owen Cook (Founder Real Social Dynamics) Described Forcing Himself onto Women Until they Backwards Rationale the Abuse

Cavemanning is a PUA term for aggressive physical contact. In an article written by Owen Cook (who goes my the user handle Tyler Durden), he described it as a tactic to use when there is no consent given for the physical contact, and this make girls backwards rationalize the said contact. Owen described this in a post about using force in making a girl kiss him.

DE-CLOGGING WITH CAVEMAN. Say that a girl is in state, but you just CAN'T seem to escalate. She just isn't biting on the active disinterest stuff. But at the same time, you KNOW that she's in state. What to do? Solution - CAVEMAN HER ASS!
The reason is that if she has enough emotional chemicals built up in her, when you caveman her it will be the BEST feeling of her entire life. She won't stop it, and then she'll BACKWARDS RATIONALIZE that she wanted it. I've had girls I slept with tell me that when I forced them to kiss me, it was the most sexual thing that they've ever had done to them. haa, from an average looking 5'9 fucking EX-DWEEB.. NICE. But why? Because I played on her states effectively.

The article can be found here, on Real Social Dynamics on Wiki site. http://www.rsdwiki.com/index.php?title=Cavemaning_Kino_Body_Language

If there are any doubts on Owen's approval of 'backwards rationalization' techniques, further on in the article he elaborated on his views of the use of physical force on women.

You see this in John Wayne movies, where the girl is freaking out, and he pins her to the wall and starts kissing her. She struggles and struggles, and then let's go and just falls in love with him again and everything is FINE. haaa, those motherfuckers KNEW how to interact with women on an emotional level back then, before the women's movement came in and fucked us all up. 

Example 4: Real Social Dynamics Associate, Manwhore posts graphic stories of himself ignoring women's objections, and having sexual encounters through use of physical means. RSD Executive coach Jeff Allen gives his approval. 

A friend of Owen Cook and Jeff Allen has posted about his use of similar tactics. His goes by the user handle Manwhore, and is an associate of Real Social Dynamics, often guest instruction on their programs. He owns his own pickup company, found at http://manwhore.org/. On his site, in his own words, he described several interactions which are very similar to the James Deen Allegations.

I go to remove her pants, no way. She’s firm about this I start thinking its probably not going to happen. I always start thinking its not going to happen lol. I put my hand down her panties. She has the cutest most smoothest little vagina ever. I know it took some work to get this way. I realize later she knew before she got to my place she’d maybe be getting it. At the time I didn’t see this, she seemed so adamant, was even directly saying we weren’t going to have sex.

Ok cool. There’ll be other times. But I just need to eat her butt. Seriously. I won’t let her go without checkin’ out this strange new bubble in my room. I turn her over and rip her jeans down in the back. Her petite little round butt is perfect. Geezez. I bite it. Then I pull her panties down in the back and tongue her little vagina from behind.

It’s done, this is finished. I turn her over. Rip her jeans off her, pull them off her hot little legs. Grab her panties and do the same.

Oh I still get that feeling washing over me, as I stare at her hot little naked body, curled up and spread out for me all at the same time. This is mine. I’m going to take her little private place, and lick it.

Link:

http://manwhore.org/masculine-polarity-gets-you-laid/

Below, Manwhore takes it so far she had to use a Knife to get him to leave the apartment.

 Anyways everything that happened past a certain point led to a particular perception of things on her part. Anyways I finally get my shit together and am on top of her, when she announces “Wait baby. I want the light on so I can see you.” I get off her and she tells me to walk with her, so I walk with her as she fumbles to find the light switch. Light turns on and I realize she’s got a knife at my throat.

Yes.  I had a nice sharp serrated knife to my throat.  Apparently she had a knife with her in the bed somewhere.. for situations just like this?

Anyways she acts real threatening and tries to act tough with it, but she realizes pretty quick that this has had no effect on me whatsoever. So she runs away and out into the living room. I come around the corner and she’s standing by the couch, the knife out in front of her. She tells me to leave and holds the knife out in front of her. She looks so fucking cute, standing there completely naked, I stare at her lil vagina lips and laugh at her. In fact I probably could have kept at it, calmed her down and stayed with her, but all this time her sister had been waiting in the car with my buddies (they’re delaying her) and her sis calls to tell her to get her ass back there.

Anyways sister comes up, I’ve gotten dressed, and I leave. I definitely regret what happened. I thought about calling her to settle things down but I never did.  My buddy, who’s a coach for a different company, told me he’d have knocked her the fuck out, lol. 

Link:

http://manwhore.org/anti-lr-miss-hell-kitten/

 I carry her into my room, throw her on my bed, put on some mood lighting. Somehow her pants come off I don’t remember how. I’m on top of her and she starts to protest. Something about its too soon I don’t remember.

I grab her throat somewhat roughly and pin her back against the pillow, grab her thong in my other hand. I give a swift yank. They rip and snap off her. She goes limp with a little sigh. I have my way with her. T

http://manwhore.org/lr-suicide-model/

In a thread on RSDNation.com (official forum of Real Social Dynamics) a user expresses his concerns that many of Manwhore's stories sound like rape


http://www.rsdnation.com/node/194469

 after going to manwhores site, reading the newbie guide he suggests to read his stories of girls hes banged. in one of them their is a suicide model that he meets off pof and he says they drink over ten beers in an hour, after chillin for a little he takes her to his room, grabs her neck, pins her down as she protests saying its too soon for her, then he RIPS her thong off turns her over and starts fucking her. it sounds like the only consent he got from her  was after turning her over she stuck her ass out. uh isnt this rape?

Manwhore responds in the thread, saying that she was giving 'token' resistance, and how women want to be dominated.

 It was token resistance.  Hard to represent this thru text when you're writing up a lay report- but that wasn't a "rape" move that was simply par for the course.  

Another user has expressed concerns that Manwhores stories come across as rape. In this thread, Manwhore gives an intricate justification for his tactics. Also, in this thread, not only RSD Executive coach Jeff Allen expresses approval, he imply's that anyone who disagrees needs to take his program.

You've got to understand and appreciate the simple premise of the game.. girls want to lose.  They want to be taken.  They can't be in charge, otherwise they're not free to simply abandon control and experience the moment.  By being able to dominate her according to the rules of the game, she can feel safe knowing you're going to take care of her.  

 

Link: http://www.rsdnation.com/node/194469


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